Thursday, September 15, 2016

Yet Another Telling Interview

On March 25, 1966, Tom Lodge, who was a DJ for the English pirate station Radio Caroline, came to the Chelsea studio where that day Robert Whitaker was photographing The Beatles for what became the infamous "butcher cover" of the Yesterday and Today album.  Lodge interviewed The Beatles.  This interview was edited down to less than two minutes and included in a flexi-disc that had interviews of other English singers and musicians.

It was produced by Tony Barrow--The Beatles' public relations director-- to promote the new English pop music magazine, Disc and Music Echo--a merger of two older magazines.

Since Brian Epstein was part owner of the magazine, The Beatles were featured as the "headline act" on Side 2.  You can here the record on YouTube at:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaF4quazrZw .

Here is the Paul and John part of the interview and Paul's last sentence is what makes this important:

     8:45-8:51  Lodge:  This was the time I came face-to-face with the one and only--yes, wait for it--The Beatles.
     8:52-8:59   John:  Well, ah, it's nice to be here in the actual captain's kitchen [NOTE: Pirate stations were housed in boats off the English coast] and the captain himself is stirring up a right old brew.
     8:59-9:03  Lodge:  Is it true that Paul and John, that you have ghost writers to write your songs for you?
     9:03-9:09  John (sarcastically)Oh yeah, we have Gershwin and Trotsky, they write, they write the first four.
     9:09-9:11  Paul:  And Latin and Labattsky write the lyrics.
     9:11          John:  Yeah.
     9:12-9:16  Paul (mockingly)  The two best-selling lyric writers in the country.
     9:16-9:17  John:  We just do the P.R. for the boys, you know.
     9:17-9:20  Paul:  Yeah, we just do appearances in our moptops, you know.
     9:20          John:  Yeah.
     9:21-9:23  Lodge:  It's a hard life, isn't it?
     9:23-9:27  Paul:  Yeah, well it's very hard.  But just wander 'round.  WE'VE GOT DOUBLES FOR MOST OF THAT, AS WELL.

What I find remarkable, on the face of it, is that Barrow and Epstein would allow a contentious and confrontational interview with Paul and John to be aired publicly.  But it's pretty obvious by the ambush journalism nature of Lodge's questioning that things were not going well between  Epstein and the two Beatles.  So why would Epstein leave Paul's pointed reference to Beatle doubles in the interview?  I think it's because--just as I read time after time in comments by people who refuse to see the truth--the reality of the comment can be passed off as a joke.   


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